best manufactuer of GBBR

I was hoping for a discussion of evreyones prefered GBBR brand and the pros and cons of each. I want to buy one and Im seriously thinking of getting a KWA LM4. i just want to hear some of the arguments over the other brands and whyyou prefer them. Please dont get angry at anyone for there opinion and no one attack another member for something they say. Lets keep this civilized.

I am not going to argue any points jst opinions, going with an WA based GBBR it's trigger group is the most realistic, The Hop up is in the foward hand guard, which using a rail that screws onto your delta ring threads it will be time consuming far as getting straight again. Parts are easy to find. MAgazines for the WA is expensive but better design then WE versions, even with the WOC's your still getting better internals.

My G&P's this last weekend I thought they performed outstanding, the inspection I do was great, hardly any wear and tear, A course for having GHK magazine which seems to problem matic for the G&P based guns due fitting tight in mag well, where as G&P Pmags work great

Now when talking about KWA LM4, it being engineered as they engineer thier Pistols and AEGs, you might have something there, the magazines will be a question mark due to what design are they, do yo have to buy only KWA or are you able to use other WA based magazines? I mean they were in no hurry to rush this thing to the U.S. Market, but then again they had ATF involved with the design to get it approve.

I going to say if you hold out for a KWA LM4 or try to get a G&P



P.S. I will try to take some pictures of the Internals of the G&P today and post them up, and maybe Che CHuy can take pictures of his WE Open Bolt M4, to give you some better help on basing your decision

After running the WE open and closed bolt systems and the g&p I have to say I am more impressed with the g&p by far. Both r fairly priced and have mags that r pretty widely available. The only im wondering with the kwa is how available mags will b. Kjw r near impossible to find and r not compatible with others so that would b my concern with kwa

After watching for sell on gas guns forum, I would say you can buy used g&p from 300-1000 dollars where as the we versions are about 200-500 dollars. So the WA version do hold their price

I like the WE. But it is all I really know. As it turns out, all of the issues I have had (other than leaky, second hand mags) have stemmed from the product not being tightened down completely (buffer tube, buffer tube pin, pistol grip) which could be argued as operator error. It's solid, decently accurate and often on sale.

If you did buy the G&P WOC, it would be great to replace Buffer lock, Add the oversized Magazine release, and different Bearings set for hammer, only because the bearings in the challenge kit is the challenge of the kit trying to install the bearings, hammer and spring into lower reciever, bt buying it together all ready yo can skip this replacement.

The we open bolt is a solid platform but as with all brands u will have to regularly get inside and make sure everything is tightened properly lubed up and not showing abnormal signs of wear and tear, granted there will b metal on metal contact so b prepared to replace parts made from aluminum and pot metal with steel when the time comes.

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The damage to the magazine catch was done before the saturday game, I am going to say about 2000 rounds had made it through this G&P GBBR 16inch

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Also you'll see the Magazine oversized release button

thanks for the input so far guys. i found your gun howie on evike. but its sold out and i dont know if i could assemble that trigger assembly. it would defintly be fun and worth the time. if only it didnt have the skele frog and punisher symbol on it. has any one had any dealing with the WE Scar-L Open bolt at all? and what would be better to go with green gas/propane? or Co2?

Now you could buy the Internal G&P kit for like 100 bucks , and upper/lower recievers, along with all your stcok and barrel as need at Ehobbyasia. Far assembly of the trigger it's easy just making sure it's fit correctly.

Well if you gather everything by August time frame, and you can meet me half way, I will bring the kit or misc. gun home and build it, and then I'll meet you half way again for re-delivery. My price for building it will be free. If you have everything we're looking at about three days total.

Generally speaking green gas/propane is the standard. There are CO2 users, but issues have come up regarding FPS consistency (or rather inconsistency).

I can not speak for the WE version, But the WA version Bolt carrier (B.C.) can be purchased as a negative Pressure B.C., to kept the FPS at a based Consistency with Gas or CO2, thisallows you shot the 40 rounds out at your target, and able to go semi or full auto. Negative pressure bolt is different from the NPAS as yo would get some inconsistency with FPS using a NPAS Bolt carrier, I mostly use the negative pressure bolt carriers. with .20 @ 385 FPS and .28 @ 340 FPS

well howie if i get back before august i just might take you up on that. i really want to hop on the GBBR bandwagon. i love the realism. and that idea of ordering the internals and body seperate might just be the trick.

This is going to depend on how much your looking to invest into a GBBR. G&P has been a little better than the WA but, they are pretty much the same thing with a few extra parts ie internals.

When it comes to longevity for any GBBR upgrading it is key. RA Tech is the most important thing to get for any GBBR because they last a lot longer than the stock GBBR parts.

For myself, I own two Daytona Gun replicas and love them. The DG/Escort/SP/Shoeii replicas are both bread and butter for me.
I can use AEG Mags whether it be Real/Mid/High cap and I still get Blow back with it. They aren't like a G&G/Javelin EBB.

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I was bored tonight, so I started doing research on the KWA LM4 version, As i thought and fear, KWA has it's pecial design Gas Magazines So the GHK, G&P, Kings Arms will not work in the KWA LM4. I did notice that the nozzle for the bolt is little different far as the upper portion goes. The Charging handle looks as its a standard G&P style. So guess we will see more to follow when DarkHawk post up some of the internal pictures

The KWA LM4 is out for delivery on UPS, should be here by 4-5pm.

A quick little research of the KJW M-4 with four extra magazine from airsplat will run you, 530.00 with free shipping. The G&P woc version Gbbr will range from 329.00 too 397.00 dollars already put together from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with free shipping. Hope this helps determine your guys own research in GBBR's